Here are just some of the phrases he uses as he shares the story. Are they involved in a joint venture? There is a distinct period of time that must pass before you can really objectively address the damage that that place does. Gateway is so deceptive in all their practices. Interestingly, he chose the title of his message to be 'Paul the Forgiven' and goes on to say that Paul has a name change because of a life change. Welcome to the James River Church YouTube Channel where you will find weekly encouraging sermons from Pastor John Lindell and others! How about the demon trials? some have suffered unjustly. He could continue the stance that we could not leave because we were under discipline and offend the large donor, or he could let us leave in peace and not offend the donor. Yes, I have been witnessing first hand over the years of the Calvinism in the AG. Return to homepage. Pastor daddy Mike Baker is furious and says he's been mistreated-"slander," etc. I cannot respect or support these men knowing that they revere such a man as a pastor. From my perspective, the problem with Driscolls repentance is the same as the problem with the Chandler apology. Great insight. I did disagree, however, with this one sentence. He wants to release you from that burden and bondage, they haven't asked for forgiveness? i have seen so much of what you wrote about to know that it is true, a big orchestrated show to fleece sheep and get fame. James River Assembly hosted a Christmas pageant last December in the midst of the covid pandemic. I guess Calvinism for these guys means never having to take personal responsibility. Weve got enough local crazy around here, we dont need Mark Driscoll and his He-Man Woman-Hating Circus. He looked at me kindly and slightly amused and said, thats okay. The kid starts expecting it. (figuratively)) Later he show us all how it was done. there is a minor child involved that both of them love deeply. May the Lord bless our search for da truth, and grant us mucho wisdom. It so important, huh, that we share that Jesus came to save us from sin, and to give us His life. (remembering marks sermon about mark being king) jesus is seated and he stands up for stephen. Acts 6:15, they were enraged. None of them see anything wrong with this. Did Paul plagiarize? He lives in the Show Me State, so go ahead and show me. "Addressing this topic or the subject of the upcoming vote from the pulpit is not against the law in this country, although it may be in the future," Lindell said in the sermon. Did Paul hire a company to buy his books and get them on the bestseller list? Do your part with the people in your life, give to your church, beyond that have a global heart for widows, orphans, the poor and those in need, I am going to ask you to support some widows and orphans in Africa, We have an orphanage, we have a villagemembers of Mars Hill have actually moved there to take care of widows and orphans.. These churches are both responsible for vetting their speakers, and they utterly failed on this one. They want their congregations and the world at large to believe that there are no amount of misdeeds that a pastor can perform, no matter how egregious, that means they shouldnt be instantly forgiven and returned to the pulpit ASAP. Personally I am not really all that interested in what the celebrites do as in endorsing, spinning events or behavior, etc. It genuinely didnt occur to me that he was just a good, decent man who might care about Gods children regardless of their zip code. when mercy ministries was investigated at hillsong amazingly the leader Nancy Acorn opened up shop in the u.s. and has many supporters among the christian circuit Meanwhile, Mark Driscoll was preparing to deliver his sermon at James River Church, an Assemblies of God megachurch located in the "Show Me State" (Missouri). It is often just a wise thing to do if one is familiar with those types. as to revenue streams, Jesus paid His taxes with money a fish popped up with. I would lay 50 to 1 odds that a change in MD will be announced and proved to be a change in words not a change in behavior! I gave Lindell a chance to respond to that tally. i tweeted: That is certainly not an idea they got from the Bible. Yes, well, my sense of humor doesnt always translate well in the blogosphere . I see him as a conference speaker on a different circuit. Did Driscoll forget about the part where Saul went away for years after his conversion. He. In a statement Monday, the Christian County Health Department said they also received numerous complaints from the community about the services and urged those who attended to monitor themselves for COVID-19 symptoms over the next 14 days. But MD has been a jerk as far as Ive read, not a criminal or anything. "We all have desires that are warped as a result of our fallen nature: pride, selfishness, greed, anger, bitterness, unforgiveness, lust, envy, covetousness, chemical addiction," Lindell said. stephen is going to be filled with the Holy Spirit. (mark doesnt say that stephen was already filled with the Holy Spirit, the bible doesnt mention stephen being filled at that time at all) pure in heart shall see God. It was just a matter of time before New Calvinism found a way to resurrect its leading icon. He wants to release you from that burden and bondage, they havent asked for forgiveness? He told me Tuesday that he has every right to campaign for repeal in a sermon. As a result, the IRS has guidelines on their political activity. You might be interested in this post from this recent post at Stand Firm, an Anglican blog, regarding Hillsong. If there is one thing I think is missing from the entire narrative of interpreting scripture it is the theme of wisdom running through it from Genesis on. Clear All United States - All Cities I dont feel I HAVE to agree with you. We live in a youtube world where fun and funny trump all. i have met people that have told me that they went to gateway (and other churches that are similar) but no longer do without ever saying why. God,I am running for your heart until my soul is on fire? 99,693 were here. So we were allowed to leave in good standing. notable pastors have been pouring into his life. The SGM defenders used the no criminal charges aspect of innocence, too, when it came to CJ. But we dont know yet for sure. And of course, the author of Acts is writing more of a historical narrative so we dont get a lot of details. your post is so right LT, the whole post, and it really needs to be said again and again. Think of it as telling a kid how special they are every day and giving them a trophy daily. If we were after money we would need to time our exit before Driscoll pulled the roof in again. To tell, perhaps? As the one did previously now the other is going thru the hoops of treatment and being checked on by outside agencies because being around the child is worth it. Did you miss a tithe payment? Marc turned the offer down and we received the letter from Scott Thomas shortly thereafter. Its just that it isnt what a NT pastor of a group of Christians should be doing. Jesus Church or 501(c)3 Religious business? Is that leader with a criminal record hitting on your young teen? Penalty Flag? My heart aches for all those whom Mark Driscoll hurt from the Petrys and Meyers to the young and impressionable. Is this similar to Radical Chic? It was never presented to me as something evil just something totally unnecessary and potentially dangerous. Che badgered/shamed the workers that receiving a pat on the back from their boss/comrade for increasing the quota should be enough for them to continue to increase production without any chance of being compensated for it monetarily. If not, why not? It is the normalization of sociopathy. Thats why places like TWW are imperative. (I saw a guy do this on a live stage in England once, on a YouTube video. in the first years of the organinazation they didnt do anything without consensus because they believed that if they were a group of believers the Lord would make them of the same agreement on specific issues and if they didnt reach agreement there was a reason that needed to be looked at. Lindell reused the Robert Morris line of chiding his congregation to stop shooting the wounded. This weekend GW is also doing Steven Furtick spontaneous baptism which are executed to the letter like Elevation. The way I see things may be different in that I see the individuals in the Kingdom being more important than mediating organizations in the church universal. In their case, they just use Jesus as marketing tool to sell their own image.It is not like they have not had access to truth. Reveal the conspiracy please. these were murders not trials. And equally astonishing is that other Christian leaders support his abusive style or at least overlook it. I think MD needs a season in the wilderness to really think things out. Its just that it isnt what a NT pastor of a group of Christians should be doing. Have you noticed the more scandals from some thugs they actually become more popular? Hospitable, Self-controlled, Holy, Disciplined, above reproach, Not quarrelsome, not violent but gentle. I agree with you there, but I wonder, how popular is this hyper macho brand of Christianity anymore? I am not the most wonderful guy in the world, i am not a saint, but when i asked Jesus to forgive me and fill me with His Spirit i changed inside. They will promise to give you an authentic community to do life with. But we don't know yet for sure. How can a reasonable person look past that? . In a March 15 sermon, Lindell urged congregants to repeal Springfield's sexual orientation and gender identity law on April 7. Its America and hes free to do that if he wishes, but its not proper, again, IMO. If a pastor makes a statement denying allegations, its a lie. Because he simply cannot be trusted not to repeat himslefthus destroying more lives. But MD has been a jerk as far as Ive read, not a criminal or anything. This one was different. He told me he appreciated my column and my work at the News-Leader. I know that tens of thousands left GW before I did and they walked away without the decency to help others. Nor has anyone ever lost public office thereby.. The James River Church Joplin Campus, located at 1850 S Maiden Ln, Joplin, MO 64801 now has a permanent location! He can be forgiven. I assumed that it was just me and 25,000 other people had no issue. It is certainly understandable we would see it differently. Here me in this, the issue is Jesus. . If so associating with Driscoll they can get the thug part down. sometimes i have hurt people because i have gotten caught up in the excitement of a new orginazation or enterprise but i have never been able to stay that way long, my conscience pricks me until i stop and go back and make things right with people i have hurt. Hadnt considered that a pastor would brainwash to that length. I do hope that nobody is still saying these same things before they clean up their own act. I do feel bad for the guy in many ways. Mot only do I think Driscoll is a wolf in sheeps clothing, but I think hes opportunistic, and because being a preacher is all he knows. since we are all clergy??? In the future, people will tell churches and christians to distance themselves from the dishonesty of the dishonest churches. This is either a complete falsehood or shows their utter lack of interest in the facts, because, as HUG so aptly quotes GK Chesterton, and let me paraphrase her, celebrity pastor unto celebrity pastor is brother. 14 I have seen also in the prophets of Jerusalem an horrible thing: they commit adultery, and walk in lies: they strengthen also the hands of evildoers, that none doth return from his wickedness: they are all of them unto me as Sodom, and the inhabitants thereof as Gomorrah. He spends the remainder of the sermon talking about Saul who became Paul and forgiveness. So far I define church as more what it isnt rather than what it is. Would you hire back the embezzler to count your cash drawer after he served a short sentence because you forgave him? New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. If after many years of that, he wrote a book about how God brought about change within, Id be interested in reading it. In Driscolls case he didnt even offer up the grudging apology specifically for the lives he ruined, the corruption, or the abuse of those at Mars Hill. The US pastor, who has courted controversy for what has been dubbed his "more-macho-than-thou" brand of Christianity, resigned from his Seattle megachurch in October after being found " guilty of pride" as well as abusive, controlling and manipulative behaviour. Where David cut the fabric from Sauls garment in the cave, showing he could have killed Saul but didnt, reflects Gods desire that David not physically harm Saul. However, with such a massive back door spanning 15 years, I still think more exiles should be speaking up for the good of the current and future naives. Mars Hill Church was ending its relationship to Agathos. 4 Ways of Discerning If You Have Left Jesus Behind. At his height of fame Driscoll was the bad boy of the Christian world. Even after becoming a believer he wanted more. . He needs a revenue stream and using Jesus is all he knows. I recently darkened the doors of a very small church in another city. The only two ways that I can think of for having said benchmarks, assuming by leadership you mean pastor(s) and not just chairman of some committee, is either having a system with central authority with established criteria which must be met prior to ordination and some written policies which are grounds for dismissal in certain conditions, That would be a denominational hierarchical system with designated people with authority and with something in writing, like an official book of how we do it. Or else to have a savvy and informed and mature congregation who would agree with and co-operate with each other on what was necessary and what needed done and which would have the actual power (backing of the people) to get it done. I saw many warnings but there seemed to be some explanation for most of it. In the wake of this and other scandals, the Mars Hill Church collapsed. they had a scandal about their homes for helping young women also, financial corruption-ish and not letting the women get outside counseling. The Lord had more to say about gall through His servant Jeremiah: Jeremiah 23:13-17 Working at James River Church: 40 Reviews - Indeed Do any of you who oppose Driscoll preaching or running a church again, is there a way he could ever get forgiveness from yall to do that sort of ministry again? Which is all to say that if he was a wanted man back in Jerusalem and the believers did not trust him, then some of the credit for his going away for a few years goes to those who did not let him just keep on keeping on, despite some abrupt lateral entry into proto-christianity. Certainly, Fulgencio Batista (dictator of Cuba at the time of the communist takeover) was a very corrupt man, whose government did terrible things, as with Trujillo in the Dominican Republic, Papa Doc Duvalier in Haiti, and many others. If a pastor says anything positive about another pastor, and that other pastor has a history of patterns of behavior and teachings that are destructive it is wise to ask pastor 1 if he has checked him out before he promotes him. Active homosexuals will not make it into heaven, Lindell said in the sermon. For the Christmas services, additional services were added to further provide for social distancing. So, if he became a member of a church, attended that for a while, accepting to do all kinds of unglamorous jobs that church members often do for their church, apprenticed with a pastor in a mainline church, where the position of pastor has a lot less power, tried to reconcile with the people he treated the worst well, maybe. Feel sorry for him instead as a burned out shell without compassion. Or there are people who were sexually abused by Uncle so and so who have forgiven him, and perhaps the man has done his time, but their forgiveness does not mean that they would ever allow their children in the same room with him. And shame on these preachers at these churches giving MD a platform to relaunch his church-related career. 15 And all that sat in the council, looking steadfastly on him, saw his face as it had been the face of an angel. . what is a person supposed to do? Photos show large crowds at Missouri's James River Church | The Kansas LT: Certainly they all hire each other as guest speakers in order to pay large honorariums from tithe dollars that end up in each others personal bank accounts. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. And I saw it. perhaps, assuming cunning strategy on the part of MD and Mark Demoss: *this sector of christainworld is the path of least resistance (especially since from others comments the YRR/reformed world has disowned him). Maybe that offends me and not you because I believe he lied all along about Jesus Christ and I am hoping to convince people of that? The issue, however, is character, evidenced by a pattern of behavior reported with regard to bullying behavior, narcissitic traits, etc. There has not been a frank identification of the flaw in the system that produced the horrific results. I dont think theres been any repentance at all. Thank you again. Some of the current worship songs that I hear dont do too much for me. Hey Sam you may be interested in how Jews interpret the Mashiach (messiah) passages. starts with: No I wouldnt allow someone who was an embezzler or criminal back in charge, of course not. The only two ways that I can think of for having said benchmarks, assuming by leadership you mean pastor(s) and not just chairman of some committee, is either having a system with central authority with established criteria which must be met prior to ordination and some written policies which are grounds for dismissal in certain conditions, That would be a denominational hierarchical system with designated people with authority and with something in writing, like an official book of how we do it. Or else to have a savvy and informed and mature congregation who would agree with and co-operate with each other on what was necessary and what needed done and which would have the actual power (backing of the people) to get it done. And i honestly had no idea that that phrase was in there. Was Pastor Lindells statement just a slip or an attempt to rewrite history? The pews were uncomfortable. I knew I was being set up when I watched MDs embedded church video posted here at TWW. He screamed and swore. Well, Jesus, Stephen, Paul, and Mark Driscoll. Bah, hit reply to soon. Only when inquiring about membership was their any discussion of W2s and the appropriate amount to tithe. Like the guy who was in charge of SGM, he got away scot-free and is doing well for himself despite the outcry against him. The point of closed systems is to keep them closed. Or alcoholics working in a bar. How can they do that? They stirred up the people now the mob is forming. However, you are on to something with the radical chic concept. However, some of his employees and family were taken in by SBTS and seem to be doing ok. IMO, the church as a whole can help to regulate these things by exposing them and explaining how they do not reflect Christ at all. Thanks for the link i want to read more of the writers work. I respectfully dissent, Evangelical NIH director Francis Collins says 'most churches' should be remote until public is vaccinated. Couldn't agree more! Its all PR spin, because they got caught with their (or, pardon the metaphor, MDs) pants down. his heart is revealed by the countenance of his face. (I guess angles smile a lot) But MD has been a jerk as far as Ive read, not a criminal or anything. 15 But the Lord said to Ananias, Go! Im guessing Driscolls trying to resurrect his career by going into Charismatic type denominations or churches. I wonder how much of this concern over gay rights is to deflect people from considering their own deficiencies. love to hear that sermon. He can be forgiven. It was so heretical that even the MH staff saw issues and took it down. If his values were disdained he would have a far better chance of turning away from the corruption that has engulfed his life so far. Those who challenged him were openly chastised, disgracefully removed from membership and/or shunned until the organization he created finally said enough is enough and sent him packing (however, with a nice severance package). . The Jews in Damascus want to kill him and he is snuck out of town by believers. where is God in all this? So, that is why I think it would have been wise for Driscoll to remove himself from the limelight and assume a servant posture. Have you not spilled all your dark secrets at Freedom Ministry? James River Church Online - Christian Church - Springfield, MO
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